Hey Y'all, Danae's Got A Really Good Question
Matthew 14:15-21 "When evening came, the disciples approached Him and said, 'This place is a wilderness, and it is already late. Send the crowds away so they can go into the villages and buy food for themselves.'
'They don't need to go away,' Jesus told them. 'You give them something to eat.'
'But we only have five loaves and two fish here,' they said to Him.
Bring them here to Me," He said. Then He commanded the crowds to sit down on the grass. He took the loaves and gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the crowds. Everyone ate and was filled. Then they picked up 12 baskets full of leftover pieces! Now those who ate were wabout 5,000 men, besides women and children."
Mark 6:34-43 "So as He stepped ashore, He saw a huge crowd and had compassion on them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd. Then he began to teach them many things.
When it was already late, His disciples approached Him and said, 'This place is a wilderness, and it is already late! Send them away, so they can go into the surrounding countryside and villages to buy themselves something to eat.'
'You give them something to eat,' He responded.
They said to Him, 'Should we go and buy 200 denarii worth of bread and give them something to eat?'
And He asked them, 'How many loaves do you have? Go look.'
When they found out they said, 'Five, and two fish.'
Then he instructed them to have all the people sit down in groups on the green grass. So they sat down in ranks of hundreds and fifties. Then he took the five loaves and the two fish, and looking up to heaven, He blessed and broke the loaves. He kept giving them to His disciples to set before the people. He also divided the two fish among them all. Everyone ate and was filled. Then they picked up 12 baskets full of pieces of bread and fish. Now those who ate the loaves were 5,000 men."
Luke 9:12-17 "Late in the day, the Twelve approached and said to Him, 'Send the crowd away, so they can go into the surrounding villages and countryside to find food and lodging, because we are in a deserted place here.'
'You give them something to eat,' He told them.
'We have no more than five loaves and two fish,' they said, 'unless we go and buy food for all these people.' (For about 5,000 men were there.)
Then He told His disciples, 'Have them sit down in groups of about 50 each.' They did so, and had them all sit down. Then he took the five loaves and two fish, and looking up to heaven, He blessed and broke them. He kept giving them to the disciples to set before the crowd. Everyone ate and was filled. Then they picked up 12 baskets of leftover pieces."
John 6:4-13 "Now the Passover, a Jewish festival, was near. Therefore, when Jesus looked up and noticed a huge crowd coming toward Him, He asked Philip, 'Where will we buy bread so these people can eat?' He asked this to test him, for He Himself knew what He was going to do.
Philip answered, 'Two hundred denarii worth of bread wouldn't be enough for each of them to have a little.'
One of His disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, said to Him, 'There's a boy here who has five barley loaves and two fish-but what are they for so many?'
Then Jesus said, 'Have the people sit down.'
There was plenty of grass in that place, so they sat down. The men numbered about 5,000. Then Jesus took the loaves, and after giving thanks He distributed them to those who were seated-so also with the fish, as much as they wanted.
When they were full, He told His disciples, 'Collect the leftovers so that nothing is wasted.' So they collected them and filled 12 baskets with the pieces from the five barley loaves that were left over by those who had eaten."
If you took the time to read all that, you know that the accounts from Matthew, Mark and Luke are al pretty similar, with a little variation (but even so, why vary if it's all the same story?) Yet the account in John is like reading a completely different story. If you look in the preceding verses before it, even the situation seems to play out a little differently.
If this is the same story, why is it told so differently? Did it actually happen? Or was it a different story, and it just happened to be the same amount of people with the same amount of bread and fish?
Hm...tell me what you think.
Because I have no idea, honestly.
- Danae


12 Comments:
wow... That's a really good question.. I've never really thought about that... i'll get back to ya once I ponder it...
January 24, 2008 12:48 PM
Hmm.... thats interesting. I think, though, that all these acounts were written at least 60 years after Jeseus' lifetime. Luke and Mark, assuming they wrote their own books, must have heard it secondhand, and the details may have gotten a bit cloudy... but what about Matthew and John?
January 24, 2008 7:56 PM
Hmmm... well, since the Gospels were all written at least 50 years after Jesus' death, maybe some of the details got foggy along the way?
Who knows? Maybe none of these 4 is a 100 percent accurate account!
January 24, 2008 7:59 PM
that's a good point grant, yet you saying it may have become cloudy doesn't make the bible sound all that great..i don't want to base how i live my life on something that is written on events that have become cloudy. So this is what i THINK happened, but i'm not sure, God didn't really let me know. I'm kind of going off word of mouth.
we know the Bible to be God's word. that he "spoke" to the ones who wrote it, and they wrote what they "heard."
what's that all about?
January 24, 2008 8:34 PM
Well, all four are different, but, same basic meaning, right? All thats different are really just peripherals.
"What's that all about?"
Maybe he spoke it different to different people. All of the gospels were targeted at a specific audience. Maybe this is why God made them all different.
But then again, who here can fathom the mind of God?
January 27, 2008 8:06 PM
P.S. "Two Hundred Denarii" comes out as 8 months wages in the NIV bible.
Thats gonna be alot of bread!
January 27, 2008 8:10 PM
They aren't all that different. The main parts are the same. Different people wrote the books that this story is found in, so obviously people are going to hear different things. I don't think it's a huge deal that some of the little details vary(sp?).
It's like that thing that happened on 69 a few weeks ago. People heard different things but when we found out what really happened they were all basically true. A few little things were different but the main events were really similar.
I don't think it's crazy that they differ in some ways. That's what we get from word of mouth.
January 29, 2008 9:27 AM
"..yet you saying it may have become cloudy doesn't make the bible sound all that great...i don't want to base how i live my life on something that is written on events that have become cloudy."- Danae.
Danae, when the books that were going to be put in the bible were decided, God showed everyone deciding what books He wanted in the Bible. I don't think you need to worry about the Bible being cloudy on the details. It's in there for a reason, and I'm pretty sure it's not so people decided things are cloudy and choose not to believe what the bible says. Or maybe it is. Maybe it's in there to show who is a true christian. To see who can get past the fact that it's not totally clear about what exactly went down, and not decide "you know, that account doesn't really match up with the other accounts so the bible must be false."
I'm not saying you think that at all. Lol cause i know you aren't going to let something like that stop you.
But i'm just saying.
January 29, 2008 9:46 AM
Well... Like you guys have said... I don't like the idea of things getting a little cloudy and just accepting that teh details could have been smudged a little...
But then again, I don't really think its the issue of the details being exaggerated or left out... I think the issue is that four different people wrote the Gospels, so they will obviously be different. If you and I wrote something on the same exact topic it wouldn't sound identical. We all have a voice that really comes out when we write. And like Grant said, each one might have emphasized different details depending on who they were trying to get the point across...
January 29, 2008 12:06 PM
oOo. dray, i like what you said. that's a good point.
that makes a lot of sense. it can just be a little confusing, and i know that if i wasn't a christian, and i found this, i wouldn't be very sold on the whole idea. not as if that would stop me, who i am now, from believing. but as someone who is already skeptical, i don't think i could accept that as truth.
but i guess, when someone is skeptical, that is just a whole different story.
i kind of see it in the way that bethany put it, but not that extreme of course. it's hard to tell what really happened, and how do we know that's not what the whole Bible is like? just iffy details here and there?
but i just wanted to see what everyone thought about that whole thing. i found it pretty interesting.
January 29, 2008 8:56 PM
Iffy details here and there?
I haven't found the details that i've read to be very iffy. They're pretty specific actually.
I don't think we need to worry about the whole Bible being questionable.
January 30, 2008 9:15 AM
I think you're right Danae.. I mean if people are skeptical to begin with its going to be hard to convince them no matter what. Because if they aren't skeptical of one thing they will find something else to be skeptical about.
But another way to look at it, at least they are curious and that curiosity might possibly encourage them to dig deeper, and God can use that to bring them to Him :)
February 2, 2008 8:36 PM
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